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		<title>By: goldandmudd</title>
		<link>http://reaching-lifelong-goals.com/2009/11/shakespeare-love-historical-inaccuracies/comment-page-1/#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>goldandmudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roxxy: Your comment veers from the plausible and probable to the downright conspiratorial. 

Firstly, in late Elizabethan/early Jacobean England many London playwrights collaborated and indeed there is much converging evidence to suggest that Shakespeare worked with some of his colleagues in producing a few of his plays (e.g. John Fletcher, Thomas Middleton). For more information I would advise you and other readers to read the Wikipedia article linked here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_collaborations. This is not in the least controversial but it is, however, a far cry from the conspiracy theory that you (and sadly many others) advance, i.e. that Shakespeare was &quot;fronting&quot; for another writer.

Secondly, ALL of Shakespeare&#039;s plays (with the sole exception of A Midsummer Night&#039;s Dream) are based on other extant works. Again, I would advise you to read the wonderful Wikipedia article on this topic as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_plays#Source_material_of_the_plays. You seem to believe that because Shakespeare sourced his plays from historical chronicles and indeed other plays (Plautus, King Leir, the Ur-Hamlet) it therefore follows that he didn&#039;t write the plays attributed to him. This is a complete non-sequitur.

Lastly, the supposition that it is somehow impossible for a man from a relatively humble background and who possessed little formal education to write convincing portrayals of nobility and court life, to adapt works of high art, and indeed to write great poetry, is patently absurd and supremely condescending. Like all conspiracy theories, this one is driven by a lack of information. I don&#039;t mean that to suggest that you are ignorant, I mean that it is precisely because there is a dearth of biographical information about the Bard that these bogus &quot;theories&quot; as you call them (surely the colloquial usage of that term) flourish. The lack of information and the centrality of this work to the canon leads, understandably, to a degree of incredulity about the man who made it.

But it&#039;s one thing to express amazement at how uncanny this accomplishment is and another thing entirely to conclude (from no actual evidence whatsoever) that he didn&#039;t write the plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roxxy: Your comment veers from the plausible and probable to the downright conspiratorial. </p>
<p>Firstly, in late Elizabethan/early Jacobean England many London playwrights collaborated and indeed there is much converging evidence to suggest that Shakespeare worked with some of his colleagues in producing a few of his plays (e.g. John Fletcher, Thomas Middleton). For more information I would advise you and other readers to read the Wikipedia article linked here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_collaborations" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_collaborations</a>. This is not in the least controversial but it is, however, a far cry from the conspiracy theory that you (and sadly many others) advance, i.e. that Shakespeare was &#8220;fronting&#8221; for another writer.</p>
<p>Secondly, ALL of Shakespeare&#8217;s plays (with the sole exception of A Midsummer Night&#8217;s Dream) are based on other extant works. Again, I would advise you to read the wonderful Wikipedia article on this topic as well: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_plays#Source_material_of_the_plays" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_plays#Source_material_of_the_plays</a>. You seem to believe that because Shakespeare sourced his plays from historical chronicles and indeed other plays (Plautus, King Leir, the Ur-Hamlet) it therefore follows that he didn&#8217;t write the plays attributed to him. This is a complete non-sequitur.</p>
<p>Lastly, the supposition that it is somehow impossible for a man from a relatively humble background and who possessed little formal education to write convincing portrayals of nobility and court life, to adapt works of high art, and indeed to write great poetry, is patently absurd and supremely condescending. Like all conspiracy theories, this one is driven by a lack of information. I don&#8217;t mean that to suggest that you are ignorant, I mean that it is precisely because there is a dearth of biographical information about the Bard that these bogus &#8220;theories&#8221; as you call them (surely the colloquial usage of that term) flourish. The lack of information and the centrality of this work to the canon leads, understandably, to a degree of incredulity about the man who made it.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s one thing to express amazement at how uncanny this accomplishment is and another thing entirely to conclude (from no actual evidence whatsoever) that he didn&#8217;t write the plays.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the idea that Shakespeare did not write his own plays (or at least some of them) is not &#039;totally unfounded.&#039; as you say. In reality, there is a substantial amount of evidence that suggests someone else &#039;helped&#039; him, or that he stole them completely.

King John, for instance was already written in much the same style, form, and plot structure by a French author two years before Shakespeare wrote his. Some passages are even word-perfect identical.

The Merchant of Venice clearly takes most of its story line from Marlowe&#039;s The Jew of Malta (written years before Shakespeare&#039;s). Again, some passages are strikingly similar. 

And Hamlet-surely you know that this play was being produced (using much better verse, I might add) by another company in England long before Shakespeare&#039;s was produced. (Though I will concede that there is evidence to suggest that Shakespeare sold this script to two theatres.)

Also, generally-being that Shakespeare came from a humble, uneducated background (and remained much in the same class for the whole of his life) how is it that he should have been able to gain such full knowledge of law, the inner-workings of the clergy, not to mention courtly and estate matters? Along those same lines-how is it that Shakespeare&#039;s &#039;fame&#039; was not recognised until a substantial amount of time after his death.

Though this is clearly nothing more than a theory, I find it a worthy one. I believe the theatre troupe responsible for binding together &#039;Shakespeare&#039;s&#039; quarto and folio simply used his name as a front for binding these many works together. Not all of these works have the same voice-so to me this is more evidence pointing to a diverse set of authors. Not only that, but the body of &#039;Shakespeare&#039;s&#039; work is one to be rivalled even by modern successfully play-writes, much less those of Shakespeare&#039;s time who had not the use of the technologies of the day in crafting their works.

Just a little something to think about before you say so assuredly that these theories about Shakespeare are &#039;totally unfounded.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the idea that Shakespeare did not write his own plays (or at least some of them) is not &#8216;totally unfounded.&#8217; as you say. In reality, there is a substantial amount of evidence that suggests someone else &#8216;helped&#8217; him, or that he stole them completely.</p>
<p>King John, for instance was already written in much the same style, form, and plot structure by a French author two years before Shakespeare wrote his. Some passages are even word-perfect identical.</p>
<p>The Merchant of Venice clearly takes most of its story line from Marlowe&#8217;s The Jew of Malta (written years before Shakespeare&#8217;s). Again, some passages are strikingly similar. </p>
<p>And Hamlet-surely you know that this play was being produced (using much better verse, I might add) by another company in England long before Shakespeare&#8217;s was produced. (Though I will concede that there is evidence to suggest that Shakespeare sold this script to two theatres.)</p>
<p>Also, generally-being that Shakespeare came from a humble, uneducated background (and remained much in the same class for the whole of his life) how is it that he should have been able to gain such full knowledge of law, the inner-workings of the clergy, not to mention courtly and estate matters? Along those same lines-how is it that Shakespeare&#8217;s &#8216;fame&#8217; was not recognised until a substantial amount of time after his death.</p>
<p>Though this is clearly nothing more than a theory, I find it a worthy one. I believe the theatre troupe responsible for binding together &#8216;Shakespeare&#8217;s&#8217; quarto and folio simply used his name as a front for binding these many works together. Not all of these works have the same voice-so to me this is more evidence pointing to a diverse set of authors. Not only that, but the body of &#8216;Shakespeare&#8217;s&#8217; work is one to be rivalled even by modern successfully play-writes, much less those of Shakespeare&#8217;s time who had not the use of the technologies of the day in crafting their works.</p>
<p>Just a little something to think about before you say so assuredly that these theories about Shakespeare are &#8216;totally unfounded.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Kalan Trammel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalan Trammel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you SOOO much!! I have a report due on this movie tomorrow!!! I desperately needed final touches, and this gave it to me!! Thanks again, and great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you SOOO much!! I have a report due on this movie tomorrow!!! I desperately needed final touches, and this gave it to me!! Thanks again, and great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Nontraditional Student Reaching Lifelong Goals &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shakespeare&#8217;s Histories Research Paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontraditional Student Reaching Lifelong Goals &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shakespeare&#8217;s Histories Research Paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 18:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Major victory for the History Geek!   I guess he owes me TWO beers now (Last term&#8217;s Shakespeare In Love Historical Inaccuracies Paper found one that he had missed).   I wanted to share my A+ research paper about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Henry D Ritscher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry D Ritscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad part is that so many people will watch a film, such as &quot;Shakespeare In Love&quot; and believe that it is historically accurate. In truth, it is a fiction with references to actual history. This can be illustrated by the belief by many that Shakespeare&#039;s own work about Julius Caesar is taken as historical fact, and not an historical fiction. This is a prime reason why students should be taught from original sources , and not from &quot;history books&quot; based on &quot;history books.&quot; This practice is at its worst when law students learn the constitution base on case law and not what the framers wrote. When navigating at sea, a small error at the start of a voyage leads to a large error at the destination. In law, when there is a small error in interpretation of the constitution, all cases that follow will increase that error. Hollywood writers are seldom real historians and their works are filled with errors. They are designed to be entertaining and not accurate. When people know the facts, they can suspend their disbelief while watching the film. When they do not know the facts, they walk away believing what they saw. The fault lies in our selves, not in our stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part is that so many people will watch a film, such as &#8220;Shakespeare In Love&#8221; and believe that it is historically accurate. In truth, it is a fiction with references to actual history. This can be illustrated by the belief by many that Shakespeare&#8217;s own work about Julius Caesar is taken as historical fact, and not an historical fiction. This is a prime reason why students should be taught from original sources , and not from &#8220;history books&#8221; based on &#8220;history books.&#8221; This practice is at its worst when law students learn the constitution base on case law and not what the framers wrote. When navigating at sea, a small error at the start of a voyage leads to a large error at the destination. In law, when there is a small error in interpretation of the constitution, all cases that follow will increase that error. Hollywood writers are seldom real historians and their works are filled with errors. They are designed to be entertaining and not accurate. When people know the facts, they can suspend their disbelief while watching the film. When they do not know the facts, they walk away believing what they saw. The fault lies in our selves, not in our stars.</p>
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